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Winning doesn't require someone else to lose

that's the famous quote, where jobs that we have to get rid of this idea that in order for us to win, Microsoft has to lose.

Episode 172: Tantalizing Liquid (episode page, opens in a new tab) March 22, 2024, 2:29 p.m. CT 00:25:25 (play audio from this timestamp, opens in a new tab)

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Summary

Dave cites Steve Jobs's famous line from Apple's 1997 Microsoft deal: Apple had to get rid of the idea that for it to win, Microsoft had to lose. He uses it to push back on zero-sum antitrust narratives.

Not in the audio. Dave is paraphrasing Steve Jobs (Macworld 1997). The year and setting aren't said in the audio.