Criticism is easy; solutions are hard
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it's easy to criticism is easy. Solutions are hard, of course, and you know, and so I understand it's a valid criticism that she says that, you know, these, these interfaces are clunky,
Episode 192: Lunchroom Quickie (episode page, opens in a new tab) 01:33:33 (play audio from this timestamp, opens in a new tab)
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Summary
Responding to complaints that podcast apps are clunky, Dave grants the criticism is valid but notes that fitting relevant information onto a small device without it looking jumbled is a genuinely hard problem.